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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 2 2011, 12:53 PM (1,184 Views) | |
| Jonnoley | Sep 2 2011, 12:53 PM Post #1 |
 
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First of all, I'm going to be talking from my particular viewpoint, which is currently a bizarre amalgamation of American movie-culture and our existing Scottish attitudes towards the subject, which tbh weren't too healthy to begin with. But I've stumbled upon some interesting research about the rates of safe sex, teen pregnancies, etcetera between America and mainland Europe (the UK is conspicuously absent, guess we didn't shape up too well), and I think this entirely boils down to the way that each of those cultures treats the subject of sex. Here's the data I'm working off of: http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=419&Itemid=177 But for instance, in my yeargroup alone (I've just left school by the way, so we're talking about people 18 years old and under,) there's been several pregnancies, a few STIs, and a case of one guy getting a younger girl pregnant in the course of my time at school. And to be totally honest, we're one of the calmer yeargroups in recent memory, I've heard what I can only describe as horror stories from other areas and ages (the girl who's on her fifth abortion springs to mind. And she's younger than me.) And I honestly think this all boils down to the attitude of adults towards teen sex. Over here, it's treated as a taboo subject in real life, with basic sex ed being "This is a condom, don't have sex, STIs are bad," and people shying away from the subject, adverts about STIs and protection are boring and dark, then on TV and in films we're introduced to sex as this exciting thing, and we have shows like Skins making it seem almost normal for teenagers to being doing it constantly, and when you combine that with some parents who try to keep their children away from the subject as long as possible, it mostly ends badly. However, contrast that with the route that Holland took, they have inviting, friendly and funny adverts about protection, parents are far more open about sex with their kids, and trust them far more with their partners. So basically, I think our sex education needs to be far more open and honest about sex, we need more parents with more relaxed attitudes towards their kid's sexualities, and they should bin all those creepy STI adverts where people have their diseases written on their underwear. What's your opinions on the matter? And better yet, what's it like over there in America, what's your sex ed like? |
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| * Bex | Sep 2 2011, 01:41 PM Post #2 |
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I dunno. The adverts like the one you mentioned about having the STI printed on the underwear is actually clever advertisement. Would you honestly want to sleep with someone, no matter how open society is, that has an STI? Because I don't really think anybody would, regardless of how nice the person was that had it. People just don't want to be at risk of infection themselves. Secondly, Skins and other such forms of media just serve to feed people's desire for things they want. Skins is very much a teenager oriented programme, so it's merely mirroring the fact that teenagers do in fact want to have sex quite a lot. Sex is also exciting, and if teenagers aren't meant to be having sex, that's another reason why it's in Skins. Nobody wants to watch a tv show of a bunch of teenagers sitting around at home playing the Xbox. They'd rather see some drama or something exciting and sex is a way of providing that. Then there is just the simple fact that sex is popular. It only takes a few people that've had sex to enjoy it and spread the word around and then everybody wants to try it since there's no other substitute for it, so people tune in to TV shows like Skins also because sex is just a popular subject and it keeps people's interest, no matter how perverse the concept might seem. But on the other hand, yes the UK does need to sort out it's Sexual Education. I myself recieved barely any whatsoever and my parents have never spoken to me about it, so I've mostly relied on picking it up from people a little older than myself that I'm friends with, or just in general conversation and perhaps a little reading here and there to iron out some of the creases. If kids knew they could talk about it openly then they might be less inclined to behave behind people's backs and get a reputation and there's no real reason why people cannot discuss sex, since it's something natural that people just do for reproductive and pleasurable purposes. Having said that though, there is a line. Teaching sex education to 5 year olds is ridiculous. It's far too early and a waste of time since they wouldn't understand it anyway. All you need to do is approach the subject in an informed way and a relaxed way. If you don't, the nations attitude to sex becomes so nervous and timid that nobody wants to talk about it and so the children become less informed, and the rate of teenaged pregnancy and STIs increases. |
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| Cal | Sep 2 2011, 02:26 PM Post #3 |
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The main problem (which is getting better now) is that sex ed classes (where I live) teach abstinence over safe sex. I am (and always have been) more worried about safe sex then about why I shouldn't have sex because of >insert religious ideology or other sex scare tactic<. That being said I was frustrated when all we talked about in class was why not to have sex, not how to have a healthy sexual relationship. It's changed dramatically though since say, my parents were in school but there is still a ways to go.
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| + Pelador | Sep 2 2011, 02:37 PM Post #4 |
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I'm the complete opposite of all of you. I had to attend sex education classes every year since I was 8 year old until I was 16. And even then it didn't end because The Sex Education Show started on tv. Don't watch it anymore since every series is exactly the same. And guess what? I still never bothered to use a condom. Despite all the lectures on responsibility, all the diseases I learned about and even the class where they taught us how to use a condom, I still didn't bother. So it seems some habits need to be taught by one's self and not by a teacher. Because until you've experienced it yourself, it's probably not going to fully sink in. |
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| Jonnoley | Sep 2 2011, 03:28 PM Post #5 |
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Viddy: Don't get me wrong, I love Skins, and I know it's designed to appeal to teenagers for that one reason, I'm just saying it clashes with the way that teenagers are taught about sex, and makes the situation worse. And I agree with you about... Well, pretty much everything you said.  Cal: Yeah, that just sounds counter-productive. Saying "Don't do this", you'd be as well just giving them the facts to do it safely. I'm glad it's improving, but it sounds a lot worse than even our half-hearted stuff.  And Pelador: Not to sound... Well, like a ****, but your know there's a link up there filled with evidence against what you said?  I agree some people will ignore what they're taught, (and I hope nothing bad came out of that for you btw), but the statistics show it really does make a difference.
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 2 2011, 03:37 PM Post #6 |
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People don't seem to understand, telling teenagers that sex is wrong and harmful isn't going to stop them having sex. The best thing to do is to teach them about safe sex. If they're going to do it anyway, why not help by teaching them the more important things instead of pointlessly trying to stop them? |
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| + Steve | Sep 2 2011, 04:00 PM Post #7 |
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I think it should be when you're over 5 but done seriously I barely remember my like 2 lessons I had on it all the boys got taken to a room to watch a video, which was just funny if nothing else lol I find the best contraceptive which works for me is teaching them like pretty much everything about it not just about diseases etc but about all the bacteria there is and horrible things like that and to do with oral how disgusting the human mouth is Puts me and my best friend right off(because we know about all that) the rate of teenage pregnancy here is ridiculous, and half of these girls never finished high school(it's not called that here but I think that's easier to understand) So teaching it in primary school when people are 5- 11 is much better I done health physics for a while and we had to watch a video of what sex looks like from the inside, was absolutely horrible you see everything and the guy even...y'knows in her So from all that I don't find the thought of sex very appealing if I'm ever to do it I'll just be thinking ew ew ew ew constantly Imo I think this is what they should do for all kids sounds weird and horrible but it will cut down teenage pregnancy, underage sex, abortions and make people generally less disgusting(as in less sluts of either gender) |
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| Plush | Sep 2 2011, 04:21 PM Post #8 |
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What's sex ed supposed to do and what's the point? I've never had sex ed and I know pretty much all you need to know because of the internet. Unsafe sex with strangers is dangerous as you can get STD's and not wearing a condom can cause pregnancy. So? This won't stop kids from having sex and quite frankly I don't think a lot of them give a *****, me included. I'm 14 and I'll admit, I'm still a virgin. I have a friend that's my age too and he already has had sex several times supposedly, I've seen the girl he's supposedly had sex with too, she's a year younger than us. I believe him, just for the fact that he for some reason always has condoms. I'm sure as hell not having sex if the chance comes up because of a sex ed video. I know the risks and I'll take those risks, if I have a kid at 15 that'll be my problem to deal with, same if I get an STD. No one needs to worry about it but me. Most teenagers who are capable of having sex know these risks. Most kids don't need a sex ed video to show them that "hey, if you have sex with a very slutty girl you can get pubic lice" or "hey, if you don't use a condom or ejaculate inside a girl chances are you'll get her pregnant". If you don't know this in 2011 at 15 you're either incredibly sheltered or slow. Sex isn't bad, sex isn't wrong. This is a natural part of life that people my age are naturally supposed to be doing. All you need to know is basically, if you're ready to start having sex there are risks you'll have to take and you should use precaution before you do anything to rash. No one wants a baby at 14 or 15 and certainly doesn't want pubic lice, herpes and or AIDS either. Edited by Plush, Sep 2 2011, 04:23 PM.
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| Kalea_The_Saiyan | Sep 2 2011, 04:29 PM Post #9 |
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Im just gonna say one thing. even before i started asking questions, my sex ed was "here's a book" and it worked just fine for me. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 2 2011, 04:36 PM Post #10 |
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I think that instead of just repeatedly going over how sex works and the problems that can occur if your not safe, they should be teaching people how to be properly responsible. I'm not just referring to contraception. I mean if you fail to use it and get someone pregnant. They should teach all about childcare, child benefits, legal rights and obligations, ect. Because lets face it, some parents are next to useless when it comes to raising children. Teen mothers have to grow up way too fast and sometimes extra help is probably required which some parents can't or won't give. Same thing goes for the dads. They should be encouraged to stick around for as long as they can. Unless of course they're absolute toe rags which the child would be better off without. But I think most of the time, having two parents is better for a child than having one. From what I've seen anyway. |
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| Jonnoley | Sep 2 2011, 05:00 PM Post #11 |
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Do I need to say more? That, Stewbear, is the worst opinion ever. Cause guess what, if you do have kids when you're 15, are you really naive enough to think you're the only one it affects? Do you really think your parents would sit back and watch you and their grandchild starve since you couldn't possibly make any income to live by yourself? But then of course, it's even more expense to them. I'm not saying "Have more of the same stupid uptight Sex ed videos." I'm saying "Make young teenagers comfortable about sex, so they don't act like idiots." Sex IS natural, and that's why we should just make sure there aren't fourteen year olds running about thinking they have to dive in first chance they get (pardon the pun. ;D ) Maybe no one wants a child or STDs, but it still happens a shocking amount, and that is what this topic is about. You can all say "It worked for me" til you're blue in the face, but the huge amount of people it doesn't work for is testament enough, I would think. And Pelador, I completely agree. We did a quick thing here that was basically just "Don't get a girl pregnant, or you'll have to pay," but they should tell you a lot more about it, because it does happen. |
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| + Rebel X | Sep 2 2011, 05:26 PM Post #12 |
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I don't think it matters, in the end it's up to the individual to have or not to have sex. I mean I understand that peer pressure and whatever could be an issue but that should be more exphasized I guess. Otherwise, I think it's mediocre education which is fine for it's purposes. I just don't think it matters that much |
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| Cal | Sep 2 2011, 05:33 PM Post #13 |
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These quotes contradict each other. You start by stating their information isn't useful(or not something you listen to anyway) , that it's real life experience you're in need of, then the next says you need to be taught about responsibilities. Which is it? Edited by Cal, Sep 2 2011, 05:34 PM.
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| + Pelador | Sep 2 2011, 06:31 PM Post #14 |
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It's both. You can't have one without the other. |
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| DanielSan | Sep 6 2011, 03:59 AM Post #15 |
 
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Well Stewbear I don't really agree with you too much. However I do respect your opinion.
It is suppose to teach people about sex and what to do and what not to do. We have it because there are some people out in the world that knows about it but needs to be reminded or to know about how dangerous it can be.
Well condoms doesn't mean you are immune to these STD's or to causing pregnancy, it only reduces the chance to a bear min.
Well that is not really the point. The teachers know that some of the students will have sex. They are teaching them safe sex no abstinence. They are preparing the students on what to do if they want it and telling us the price and risk.
Well if you have a child at 15 it is not only your problem but the girl's problem and if you don't take care of the child very well or if you can't at all your parents problem.
Ok I agree with you on that completely. |
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